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  New GB members WT March 15th p 26

  by stillajwexelder in

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  new gb members wt march 15th p 26 .

  i am sure you all know but it was finally published in this magazine on page 26 - geoffrey w. jackson and anthony morris 111 are the new gb members and it gives biographical details.

  then all current gb members ar ealso listed.

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  cyberdyne systems 101

  I had asked my wife about the Gov'n body members, and she was going to look it up, now I can pass this on to her. Thanks!
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  Is There A Happy Balance To Deprogramming A Witness?

  by minimus in

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  it's not easy to help a jw see that they are misled.

  i see thatsometimes you can get them to really see a matter clearly and other times they feel like you're beating them up.

  i had a conversation with my mom yesterday and it's funny----sometimes she'll accept it all and other times she doesn't want to deal.

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  Very interesting discussion! I wish to deprogram my wife, I have given her a few thoughts but her conditioning is so very hard to overcome. The main problem is she doesnt know a lot about how the doctrine's work, so i feel its more an emotional attachment for her (social etc). I have offered to show her directly from the Bible and things from the society's publications, but she is so scared to look! She thinks i'll dirty the Bible and why she cant look at her own publications I dont know! I guess she must realise deep down things wont add up, but its accessing that part of her mind thats so difficult. And its so true that without something to replace whats lost why would she want to leave?
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  acWhy do you use the term "Apostate"?

  by Trojan in

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  i see that several of you use the term "apostate" or call themselves "apostates".

  the problem i have with using the term is that you continue to follow wtbts thinking of "branding and labeling" people.

  they charge that word with lots of negativity and label people that have different thoughts.

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  cyberdyne systems 101

  I dont use the term to apply to myself, if my wife calls me an apostate, I reply I am apostate to The JW's not the Bible.
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  The TRUTH will set you free.

  by vomit in

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  just trying to grab your attention.

  something is driving me crazy, i just cant stop saying "the truth".

  why do these two words have so much power over us.

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  cyberdyne systems 101

  When I have conversations with witnesses they constantly use org. language, like 'the truth'. It must instill in the R & F the sense of conditioning that their are right and all others are wrong. I will not let myself say 'the truth' in the witness sense, just saying 'the witnesses' instead. If the discussion is about the Bible I say 'your version of truth'.
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  YOU EVER FEEL SCARED IT IS THE TRUTH?

  by Cordelia in

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  just wondered as im prob about to give up so much, coz i dont think it is the truth but its come as such a shock!.

  my family believe it so much, my dad feels he can answer any question i have, and being brought up in it sometimes it scares me.

  coz my family believe it so much, .

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  cyberdyne systems 101

  Personally I'm not scared its the truth because I have checked it out for myself and found it to be another interpretation - e.g. I am currently looking at the prophesy in Dan chapter 4 regarding the dream about the tree, the society say there is a greater fullfillment (7 times = 2520 years - 607 to 1914) BUT read Daniel, where does it say anything else but that it applies to the King? There is no ambiguity about the application. Yet the WTS has made up - WITH NO SCRIPTURAL EVIDENCE - that it has another application??? Did you know that they used to say the Historic date for the destruction of Jerusalem was 606 bc, after finding out there was no year 0 they adjusted it to 607! In other words they moved a historical date instead of the prophetic date they interpreted, working backwards from 1914 instead of forwards from an established date (which if you research is 20 years off the society's claim). This was so they could keep the 1914 date which is so pivotal to their belief system.

  For me it really started when I realised that despite saying they were not like the Pharisees of Jesus day, they in fact were! Once you break the mindset they cultivate in you, you start to see more problems. I would advise you to reasearch, read the Bible (NT) on your own and see the real message, which has been blinded by them.
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  can i ask

  by KW13 in

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  yo people, a question...

  witnesses are studying the daniel book and i wanted to know if i can prove any of the prophecy in there is wrong, for example what book or resource can i prove 607bce is wrong.

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  cyberdyne systems 101

  Read the chapter on Nebuchadnezza's dream about the tree, and notice how no scriptural reason is given to applying the seven times to anything other than what Daniels says: 'it is it is you, O king' Then discover that 606 was originally used as the date of Jerusalem's destruction because they didnt realise there was no year zero, and instead of moving 1914 they moved a historical date making it now 607bc. This shows they had to protect the date 1914 at all costs as their whole belief structure would fall, such as Jesus selecting the Bible Students in 1918 (despite many now discarded belief's and dates). Check secular history as to what date it shows for Jerusalem's destruction (temple) and it will consistantly be 586/7bc.
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  Saved by grace or by works?

  by rootofallevil in

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  according to the wts if we do not produce acts of good work (feild service, attending 5 meetings weekly, circuit and district assemblies etc), we are not worthy of salvation.

  according to the bible, we attain salvation through god's undeserved grace ( or kindness in jw lingo).

  what i am looking for is scriptural proof that will shoot down the first and support the latter.

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  cyberdyne systems 101

  Thats a very telling observation by funkyderek above. I assumed that as you accepted a teaching, you already had proved this for yourself, but after you ask for the proof! I would recommend looking at Romans first.
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  how to behave in judical committee? pls help

  by albertjw in

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  i am new here, excuse my english.

  it seems that some of you are serving or have been serving as elders and have judical committee experience (stillajwexelder for example).

  i want to know how i must behave in jc meeting to avoid disfellowshipping.

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  cyberdyne systems 101

  At the end of the day if you wish to continue being a Witness you have to play by their rules. Just be yourself in the judicial. If your worried that men will judge you and its not from Jesus the head of the Christian congregation on earth, then dont go, learn for yourself what the Bible says and leave with your head held high.

  At the moment you sound frightened and scared, of whom though? Is it not the Elders who you perceive have power and control over you? Will they be stood next to you when you stand before Jesus on judgement day? If you read the Bible and have found yourself to have sinned against God then go to him for your forgiveness. Your life is in one of fear due to the high control and cult type tactics you have lived in for so long, the thought of leaving all that sounds scary. But just look at all those here that broke free from serving men, do we sound scared? In time you wont either if you check out your faith now, see what they teach and compare it to the Bible - i'm sure you will find it in striking contrast. Can I recommend an unbiased reading of the book of Romans.

  Just remember these are only men and its is before God and Jesus that you may or may not answer, dont give them anymore power
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  The Image of Daniel chapter 2

  by cyberdyne systems 101 in

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  i have been looking at some of the society's publications recently and was wondering what people's understanding without wts bias was to the image?

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  cyberdyne systems 101

  I have been looking at some of the society's publications recently and was wondering what people's understanding without WTS bias was to the image?
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  Found some older WTS publications!

  by cyberdyne systems 101 in

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  i was going through some old boxes in my attic and found some older wts publications, mainly spanning late 60's to 90's, but among those was a couple from the 40's and 50's, but the real scoop was the book 'riches' by none other than jf rutherford!

  i'm hoping to witness first hand some of the witnesses flip flops on doctrine.. does anyone know if there is anything significant in this book that i should look out for when reading it?.

  arnie

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  cyberdyne systems 101

  Thx Blondie